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		<title>Chris Paul and Suns sweep the Nuggets</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2021 11:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Chris Paul and the Phoenix Suns swept the Denver Nuggets behind another spectacular game by Chris Paul. Paul has had a string of playoff disappointments, so it&#8217;s nice to see him lead the Suns to the conference finals. But there&#8217;s still a way to go, so there&#8217;s a lot of overreaction going on. Naturally, sports [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<p>Chris Paul and the Phoenix Suns swept the Denver Nuggets behind another spectacular game by Chris Paul. Paul has had a string of playoff disappointments, so it&#8217;s nice to see him lead the Suns to the conference finals. But there&#8217;s still a way to go, so there&#8217;s a lot of overreaction going on.</p>
<p>Naturally, sports media can&#8217;t help but get into conversations about the all-time best point guards. Chris Paul is certainly up there, but it&#8217;s a pretty tough list to crack with Magic Johnson, Oscar Robertson, Isaiah Thomas, John Stockton and Steph Curry to deal with. And what about Jason Kidd or Steve Nash?</p>
<p>That said, Paul has an opportunity here to make an epic run at a point in his career when many thought he was finished as an elite player. His ability to slash through a defense and nail mid-range jumpers is very impressive, and he&#8217;s leading a group of young players who seem eager to follow. It&#8217;s been fun to watch.</p>
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		<title>Jason Kidd bolts to the New York Knicks</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2012 13:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;m not sure who is worse off after this move &#8211; fans of the Dallas Mavericks of fans of the New York Knicks? Are the Knicks really better after signing an ancient point guard? It also sounds like they&#8217;re going to pay big money to keep Jeremy Lin. He&#8217;s a good player but will he [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<p>I&#8217;m not sure who is worse off after this move &#8211; fans of the Dallas Mavericks of fans of the New York Knicks?</p>
<p>Are the Knicks really better after signing an <a href="http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/ny-knicks-moves-improve-backcourt-addition-aging-jason-kidd-article-1.1108852" target="_blank">ancient point guard</a>? It also sounds like they&#8217;re going to pay big money to keep Jeremy Lin. He&#8217;s a good player but will he be worth the salary? The Knicks are still a mess.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, the Dallas Mavericks that won a title last year are <a href="http://aol.sportingnews.com/nba/story/2012-07-05/jason-kidd-ny-knicks-dallas-mavericks-steve-nash-jeremy-lin-mark-cuban" target="_blank">officially dismantled</a>. They made a big push for Deron Williams, but that smart strategy didn&#8217;t pan out. Now Kidd is gone along with Jason Terry and most of the gang that surrounded Dirk for the title run. Now what?</p>
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		<title>Wrapping up the 2011 NBA Playoffs</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jun 2011 20:54:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In an attempt to put the final nail in the coffin that is the 2010-11 NBA season, it&#8217;s a good time to look back on the 2011 Playoffs and try to make sense of it all. Let&#8217;s start with&#8230; DIRK&#8217;S LEGACY Easily the biggest winner of these Playoffs, Dirk has shrugged off charges that he [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In an attempt to put the final nail in the coffin that is the 2010-11 NBA season, it&#8217;s a good time to look back on the 2011 Playoffs and try to make sense of it all. </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s start with&#8230;</p>
<p><strong>DIRK&#8217;S LEGACY</strong></p>
<p>Easily the biggest winner of these Playoffs, Dirk has shrugged off charges that he was soft and/or a choker by leading the Mavs on one of the most epic postseason runs in recent history. Firing up the <a href="http://www.nba.com/statscube/player.html#Dirk-Nowitzki|1717;season=p;splitType=clutch;splitValue=all" target="_blank">NBA StatsCube</a>, we&#8217;ll find that Dirk averaged 47.5 points per 36 minutes in the clutch (game within five points with under five minutes to play). Not only did he score a ton, but he did it efficiently, shooting 54% from the field, 97% from the free throw line and 60% (!!) from long range. Even in Game 6, after a miserable 1-for-12 first half, Nowitzki had the mental toughness to go out and score 10 points on 5-of-6 shooting in the final 7:22. He&#8217;s never going to win as many championships as Larry Bird, but dynasties are a rarity these days (which favors Bird, historically speaking), so now the Bird/Nowtizki comparisons are legit.</p>
<p><strong>CUBAN</strong></p>
<p>Yes, he&#8217;s irritating. Most billionaires are. He made his fortune during the internet bubble and had enough sense to get out when the getting was good. He parlayed that into an NBA team, and is definitely <del datetime="2011-06-13T19:55:05+00:00">a loudmouth</del> outspoken, but in an age when team owners don&#8217;t always show a commitment to winning, Cuban has been more than willing to spend in his chase for a ring and in collecting all these aging All-Stars, he finally found a combination with enough grit, determination and defense to put his franchise player in a position to close the deal. Love him or hate him, he&#8217;s entertaining, and in a matchup with the Heat, he was most definitely the lesser of two evils. (And give him credit, when interviewed after the Game 6 win, he was quick to defer the spotlight. Classy move.)</p>
<div style="display:none">Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban (R) celebrates with his family after the Mavericks beat the Miami Heat in Game 6 to win the NBA Finals basketball series in Miami, June 12, 2011. REUTERS/Hans Deryk (UNITED STATES  &#8211; Tags: SPORT BASKETBALL)</div>
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<p><strong>KIDD, MARION</strong></p>
<p>Jason Kidd didn&#8217;t do much stat-wise in the Finals, and seemed to turn the ball over a lot, but he hit a huge three towards the end of Game 5 and played tough defense on LeBron and Wade for the entire series. After leading the Nets to back-to-back Finals in the early &#8217;00s, he finally got another chance at a ring, and played an important role, even at 38-years-old. </p>
<p>The Mavs got a similar contribution from Shawn Marion, who many left for dead after stints in Miami and Toronto. He helped score when Dirk was getting his rest and played inspired defense on LeBron and Wade at different points in the series. Dallas would not have won the title without The Matrix, especially once Caron Butler went down during the season.<br />
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THE JET</strong></p>
<p>Other than Dirk, I can&#8217;t see a bigger winner (legacy-wise) in these Finals than Jason Terry. He jumped from also-ran status to clutch Finals performer &#8212; one who most definitely backed up his smack talk. He outplayed LeBron down the stretch and didn&#8217;t miss a free throw in the clutch in the entire Playoffs. When we look back on these Playoffs a decade from now, we&#8217;ll remember Dirk, the Jet, and the Heat&#8217;s disappointing performance.</p>
<p><strong>THE BIG THREE</strong></p>
<p>There&#8217;s plenty of time for LeBron to redefine his legacy, but this was not a good start. He was mediocre to bad in the fourth quarter for most of the series, and it sure doesn&#8217;t seem like this leopard is going to change his spots after tweeting that <a href="http://twitter.com/#!/KingJames/status/80130403482087424" target="_blank">God decided that it just wasn&#8217;t his time</a> to win a title. Um, okay. That doesn&#8217;t sound like a guy who is going to hone his post game (like MJ or Kobe) or spend all summer with a shooting coach to make his jumper more consistent. </p>
<p>As for Wade, he doesn&#8217;t get off scot-free after fumbling away a chance to tie Game 5 and dribbling the ball off his foot late in Game 6, but he already has a ring, so his legacy has a higher floor than LeBron. And it&#8217;s not like the guy didn&#8217;t produce &#8212; he averaged 27-7-5 and shot 55% from the field in the Finals.</p>
<div style="display:none">Miami Heat guard Dwyane Wade (L) and teammate LeBron James wait to leave the stadium after losing the NBA Championship to the Dallas Mavericks in Miami, June 12, 2011. REUTERS/Joe Skipper (UNITED STATES  &#8211; Tags: SPORT BASKETBALL)</div>
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<p>Lastly, let the record show that Chris Bosh played his best ball of the Finals when the chips were down. In the last three games, he averaged 21-8 on 55% shooting, and even hit the winning jumper in Game 3 after a rough shooting night. Bosh was something of a punchline during the season, but he came up big against the Bulls (23-8, 60% shooting) and did some damage in the Finals.</p>
<p>Where does Miami go from here? While some are arguing that <a href="http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/miami-heat-lebron-james-dwyane-wade-chris-bosh-blow-up-the-big-three-061311" target="_blank">Pat Riley should trade LeBron for Dwight Howard</a>, this is certainly not the last we&#8217;ve seen of this trio. They made it to the Finals in their first try, and did it with a substandard supporting cast. I expect changes to be made, but I&#8217;d be shocked if any of the stars are moved. </p>
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		<title>What kind of point guard WAS he?</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Paulsen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Mar 2011 16:18:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My post from a few days ago was relatively well-received at reddit, and one of the readers there said that he&#8217;d like to see the same graph for some of the all-time great point guards. So with a little help from Basketball-Reference.com, I compiled a list of (all?) the Hall of Fame point guards: Oscar [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My post <a href="https://www.scoresreport.com/2011/03/25/what-kind-of-point-guard-is-he-2/">from a few days</a> ago was relatively well-received at reddit, and one of the readers there said that he&#8217;d like to see the same graph for some of the all-time great point guards.</p>
<p>So with a little help from Basketball-Reference.com, I compiled a list of (all?) the Hall of Fame point guards: Oscar Robertson, Lenny Wilkens, Bob Cousy, Jerry West, John Stockton, Isiah Thomas, Magic Johnson, Dennis Johnson, Tiny Archibald, Calvin Murphy, Pete Maravich and Walt Frazier. Unfortunately, the NBA didn&#8217;t start keeping track of turnovers until the 1977-78 season, so there&#8217;s no assist-to-turnover data for the first four (Robertson, Wilkens, Cousy, West) and the data for Archibald, Murphy, Maravich and Frazier is incomplete, so I could only use their post-1977 numbers.</p>
<p>I also compiled a list of the top non-HOF point guards who are both retired and still active: Jason Kidd, Mark Jackson, Steve Nash, Gary Payton, Rod Strickland, Maurice Cheeks, Terry Porter, Tim Hardaway, Andre Miller, Muggsy Bogues, Kevin Johnson, Derek Harper, Stephon Marbury (yes, Stephon Marbury), John Lucas, Norm Nixon, Mookie Blaylock, Sam Cassell, Avery Johnson, Baron Davis, Nick Van Exel, Allen Iverson, Chauncey Billups and Mike Bibby. All of these players have at least 5,400 career assists, which seemed to be the cutoff for players I was interested in using for this study.</p>
<p>Lastly, I added seven of the top current point guards who have yet to break the 5,400-assist barrier: Tony Parker, Stephen Curry, Russell Westbrook, Rajon Rondo, Derrick Rose, Deron Williams and of course, Chris Paul.</p>
<p>I first tackled this subject <a href="https://www.scoresreport.com/2009/05/07/what-kind-of-point-guard-is-he/" target="_blank">two years ago</a>, and settled on the shot-to-assist ratio to determine whether a player is &#8220;pass-first&#8221; or &#8220;shoot-first.&#8221; The higher the number, the more of a &#8220;shoot-first&#8221; player he is. To determine whether or not a player is &#8220;turnover-prone,&#8221; I calculated each player&#8217;s assist-to-turnover ratio. The higher the number, the better the player is at taking care of the ball, relative to what he&#8217;s asked to do as a playmaker for his team. The graph takes a gentle downward slope because assists are part of both calculations. (Note: While I do like FGA/A as the criteria for shoot-first/pass-first, I am not completely sold on A/TO as the criteria for turnover-prone. Perhaps (A+FGA)/TO would show shoot-first guards in a better light? Maybe I&#8217;ll try that next year.)</p>
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<p>Here&#8217;s how the graph turned out. Click on it to see a bigger version.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.scoresreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/whatkindofpointguardWAShe.jpg" target="_blank"><img decoding="async" fetchpriority="high" height="310" width="477" src="https://www.scoresreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/whatkindofpointguardWAShe.jpg" alt="" /></a></p>
<p>Pass-first/shoot-first goes left to right, while takes care of the ball/turnover-prone sits on the vertical axis. </p>
<p>A few random thoughts:</p>
<p>&#8212; This is not typically an indictment of a player&#8217;s game. Most offenses call for a playmaking point guard, while others do not. For example, Sam Cassell was definitely a scoring point guard, but he was a great fit in the Houston offense alongside Hakeem Olajuwon, who was very adept at drawing the double-team and kicking the ball out to the open shooter. Cassell&#8217;s role on that team was to hit open shots, not run the pick-and-roll over and over in an attempt to set up other shooters (like John Stockton).</p>
<p>&#8212; Murphy, Frazier, Iverson and Maravich were so far to the right on the shoot-first scale that if had I shown their plot points, the rest of the graph would have been unreadable. Their shot-to-assist ratios ranged from 3.40 (Frazier) to 4.75 (Murphy). In the modern era, Iverson is probably the quintessential shoot-first point guard, even though he did average 6.2 assists per game.</p>
<p>&#8212; Speaking of quintessential, it&#8217;s no surprise that John Stockton and Chris Paul are in the top-left quadrant, but Muggsy Bogues&#8217; presence is a little surprising. He couldn&#8217;t score very well (career 7.7 ppg), but his assist-to-turnover ratio (4.69) was easily the best of the players in the study.</p>
<p>&#8212; Other players in the top-left quadrant like Jason Kidd, Steve Nash, Mark Jackson, Maurice Cheeks, Rajohn Rondo and Avery Johnson are your traditional pass-first point guards. Magic Johnson also qualifies, but he was special because he could drop 35 points on you if necessary.</p>
<p>&#8212; Just because a player is not a traditional pass-first point guard does not mean that he can&#8217;t have great success. Isiah Thomas, Sam Cassell, Tony Parker and Dennis Johnson all have multiple NBA titles on their resumes, while Chauncey Billups has one of his own. This is good news for Rose, Westbrook and Curry, who are not traditional pass-first point guards.</p>
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		<title>What kind of point guard is he?</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Mar 2011 20:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Chicago Bulls&#8217; Derrick Rose shoots a free throw while playing the San Antonio Spurs during the fourth quarter of their NBA game in Chicago February 17, 2011. REUTERS/John Gress (UNITED STATES &#8211; Tags: SPORT BASKETBALL) We hear it all the time. NBA analysts call one point guard “pass-first” and another “shoot-first.” Or they say [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<p>We hear it all the time. NBA analysts call one point guard “pass-first” and another “shoot-first.” Or they say one guy is “turnover-prone” while another “takes care of the ball.” But really, what makes a player a “pass-first” point guard? How carefree must he be with the ball to be considered “turnover-prone”?</p>
<p>I first tackled this subject <a href="https://www.scoresreport.com/2009/05/07/what-kind-of-point-guard-is-he/" target="_blank">two years ago</a>, and settled on the shot-to-assist ratio to determine whether a player is &#8220;pass-first&#8221; or &#8220;shoot-first.&#8221; The higher the number, the more of a &#8220;shoot-first&#8221; player he is. To determine whether or not a player is &#8220;turnover-prone,&#8221; I calculated each player&#8217;s assist-to-turnover ratio. The higher the number, the better the player is at taking care of the ball.</p>
<p>I narrowed the list of players to 33, one for each team plus a few extra for teams like Cleveland, Sacramento and Denver, who have a couple of players manning the position. I also added eight prospects (indicated in green) just to see where a few of the younger guys land. Here&#8217;s the graph &#8212; it&#8217;s small, but if you click it, you&#8217;ll get to a bigger version:</p>
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<p>So the pass-first/shoot-first aspect goes left to right, and the turnover-prone players will be towards the bottom, while the guys that take really good care of the ball will be up top. Players indicated with a blue diamond are in the Top 10 in this group in <a href="https://www.scoresreport.com/2006/05/26/efficiency-per-minute/" target="_blank">Efficiency Per Minute</a>. I set the axis for each category at the average of the 33 players in question, so 1.97 for FGA-to-assist and 2.70 assist-to-turnover.</p>
<p>Two years ago when I conducted this study, seven of the top 10 EPM performers were in the top left quadrant (pass-first, takes care of the ball). This year, only five of the top 11 (I included both Rondo and Calderon, since they tied for #11) are in that quadrant. This is due to the emergence of three shoot-first, (fairly) turnover-prone guards who are emerging as stars: Derrick Rose, Russell Westbrook and Stephen Curry.</p>
<p>A few takeaways: </p>
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<p><strong>Ty Lawson looks like a star.</strong> He is #13 in this group in EPM, so if he can continue to post big numbers in bigger minutes he&#8217;s poised to join the Top 10 sometime soon. </p>
<p><strong>Kyle Lowry isn&#8217;t too far behind him.</strong> It&#8217;s not clear if Houston has decided that Lowry is their point guard of the future, but he is #16 in EPM and is well above average in assist-to-turnover ratio.<br />
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Brandon Jennings can still become a Top 10 point guard.</strong> Two years ago, I would have said that Jennings would have to drastically change his game to join the elite group of point guards, but with the way Rose, Westbrook and Curry have emerged, he can continue to be himself. One thing I&#8217;ve noticed with his game is that he has a tough time finishing around the hoop when he gets bumped, which is something that Westbrook and Rose excel at. Jennings needs to master the floater &#8212; that way, he can use his quickness to get into the lane pretty much any time he wants, and then get his shot off without taking a big hit.</p>
<p><strong>Roddy Beaubois is an interesting prospect, but it&#8217;s doubtful he&#8217;s going to be a quality starter in this league&#8230;</strong> unless he changes his game to become more of a distributor. He doesn&#8217;t need to turn into Jason Kidd, but right now he&#8217;s an outlier so he needs to take better care of the ball and create a few more opportunities for teammates. You may notice that Tyreke Evans is very close to Beaubois, but he really needs to play shooting guard.<br />
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If John Wall can take care of the ball, he&#8217;ll be right there with Deron Williams.</strong> For a rookie, Wall&#8217;s numbers look great. Sure, he&#8217;s a little turnover prone, but no worse that Westbrook, Billups, Collison or Curry. He&#8217;s a playmaker, so once he cuts back on the turnovers, his assist-to-turnover ratio really has a chance to skyrocket. I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if he&#8217;s up in the area of Maynor and Lowry with a blue diamond next to his name in a couple of seasons. </p>
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		<title>Forget the triple-double. The triple-dozen is where it&#8217;s at.</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Mar 2011 12:00:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Since the 1986-87 season (which is the cutoff since that is as far back as Basketball Reference&#8217;s data goes), 201 different players have successfully posted a triple double, 1,042 games in all. That&#8217;s an average of 41.7 triple-doubles a season, including playoffs. It&#8217;s a nice feat, but it&#8217;s just too common of an occurrence to [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<p>Since the 1986-87 season (which is the cutoff since that is as far back as Basketball Reference&#8217;s data goes), 201 different players have successfully posted a triple double, 1,042 games in all. That&#8217;s an average of 41.7 triple-doubles a season, including playoffs. It&#8217;s a nice feat, but it&#8217;s just too common of an occurrence to be <em>amazing</em>. (By the way, Jason Kidd leads the way with 107 triple-doubles during that span, though the first part of Magic Johnson&#8217;s career isn&#8217;t included. He had 66 during that span, but 138 overall. That&#8217;s <a href="http://www.sportscity.com/nba/nba-all-time-triple-doubles-181/" target="_blank">second all-time</a> to Oscar Robertson, who had 181 back in the day when nobody played any defense at all.)</p>
<p>So I submit for your approval&#8230;the triple-dozen. It&#8217;s just like a triple-double, but a player needs to record at least 12 in three of the following categories: points, rebounds, assists, blocks and/or steals.</p>
<p>In the last 25 years, 60 players have accomplished this feat a total of 155 times, or 6.2 times a season. Jason Kidd leads the way with 22, while Magic Johnson and Fat Lever trail (over that span) with 19 and 12 respectively. LeBron James is fourth with nine. Here&#8217;s the list of the 23 players who have posted a triple-dozen at least twice.</p>
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<td>Fat Lever</td>
<td>12</td>
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<td>9</td>
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<td>7</td>
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<td>Grant Hill</td>
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<td>4</td>
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<td>8</td>
<td>Rajon Rondo</td>
<td>4</td>
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<td>9</td>
<td>Michael Jordan</td>
<td>3</td>
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<td>10</td>
<td>Hakeem Olajuwon</td>
<td>3</td>
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<td>11</td>
<td>Scottie Pippen</td>
<td>3</td>
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<td>12</td>
<td>Antoine Walker</td>
<td>3</td>
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<td>Chris Webber</td>
<td>3</td>
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<td>14</td>
<td>Kobe Bryant</td>
<td>2</td>
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<td>15</td>
<td>Vlade Divac</td>
<td>2</td>
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<td>16</td>
<td>Kevin Garnett</td>
<td>2</td>
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<td>Pau Gasol</td>
<td>2</td>
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<td>Mark Jackson</td>
<td>2</td>
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<td>Anthony Mason</td>
<td>2</td>
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<td>Steve Nash</td>
<td>2</td>
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<td>Lamar Odom</td>
<td>2</td>
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<td>22</td>
<td>Gary Payton</td>
<td>2</td>
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<td>Detlef Schrempf</td>
<td>2</td>
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<p>A few random thoughts:</p>
<p>&#8212; It&#8217;s interesting to note that only Hakeem Olajuwon managed to post a triple-dozen two different ways. He had a traditional points/rebounds/assist triple-dozen in 1994 when he racked up 37 points, 13 rebounds and 12 assists against the Golden State Warriors. But he also twice posted a points/rebounds/blocks triple-dozen. He had 38-17-12 against Seattle in &#8217;87 and 24-21-12 against Utah in &#8217;89. He may have had more, but the stats don&#8217;t go back any further. Olajuwon also had seven steals in that game against the Sonics, making him the only player to post a &#8220;Defensive Triple-Seven&#8221; (at least seven rebounds, seven blocks and seven steals) in any one game during that span.</p>
<p>&#8212; Michael Jordan&#8217;s tally (3) is a little surprising, but he was more of a scorer than a distributor like Kidd, Magic, LeBron or even Larry Bird. When he was dialed in, he wasn&#8217;t distributing the ball, he was making buckets.</p>
<p>&#8212; Pau Gasol? Yep, Gasol posted a triple-dozen twice while he was in Memphis. We forget how good of a passer he is since Kobe dominates the ball so much and Gasol is mostly asked to catch and shoot in the Lakers&#8217; triangle offense.</p>
<p>&#8212; Two of Rajon Rondo&#8217;s four triple-dozens came in the playoffs. During this 25 year span, Jason Kidd led the way with five postseason triple-dozens. LeBron has two.</p>
<p>&#8212; What about a <em>quadruple-double</em>? Hakeem Olajuwon <a href="http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pgl_finder.cgi?request=1&#038;player=&#038;match=game&#038;year_min=1987&#038;year_max=2011&#038;age_min=0&#038;age_max=99&#038;team_id=&#038;opp_id=&#038;is_playoffs=N&#038;game_num_min=0&#038;game_num_max=99&#038;game_month=&#038;game_location=&#038;game_result=&#038;is_starter=&#038;is_active=&#038;is_hof=&#038;pos=&#038;c1stat=pts&#038;c1comp=gt&#038;c1val=10&#038;c2stat=trb&#038;c2comp=gt&#038;c2val=10&#038;c3stat=ast&#038;c3comp=gt&#038;c3val=10&#038;c4stat=blk&#038;c4comp=gt&#038;c4val=10&#038;order_by=pts" target="_blank">did it</a> twice and David Robinson did it once. Nobody has posted a quadruple-dozen in the last 25 years.</p>
<p>&#8212; This season, only Russell Westbrook has posted a triple-dozen. He had 35 points, 13 rebounds and 13 assists against the Washington Wizards in late January. His line is actually a <em>triple-baker&#8217;s-dozen</em> (13+ in each category), which has happened only 47 times in the last 25 years. Kidd leads the way with nine, while Magic and LeBron trail with seven and five, respectively. <em><strong>Update:</strong> Drew Gooden posted a triple-baker&#8217;s dozen against the Cavs in April. He tallied 15 points, 13 rebounds and 13 assists. It was the first triple-double of his career.</em></p>
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		<title>Where do the Mavs go from here?</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 14:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In the Daily Dime, Marc Stein discusses the short-term future of the Dallas Mavericks after their first round loss last night to the Spurs. Mavs owner Mark Cuban didn&#8217;t trade for Caron Butler and Brendan Haywood in February, taking on millions in extra salary and luxury tax in the process, to make such a swift [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the Daily Dime, <a href="http://espn.go.com/nba/dailydime/_/page/dime-100429/daily-dime" target="_blank">Marc Stein discusses the short-term future of the Dallas Mavericks</a> after their <a href="https://www.scoresreport.com/2010/04/29/the-spurs-own-texas/">first round loss</a> last night to the Spurs.</p>
<blockquote><p>Mavs owner Mark Cuban didn&#8217;t trade for Caron Butler and Brendan Haywood in February, taking on millions in extra salary and luxury tax in the process, to make such a swift return to the early playoff misery inflicted by Golden State in 2007. Dallas became the first No. 1 seed in league history to lose a best-of-seven series in the first round that year &#8230; and just became the first No. 2 to lose in Round 1 since the NBA went to a best-of-seven format in 2003.</p>
<p>&#8220;We&#8217;re a failure,&#8221; Mavericks guard Jason Terry said. &#8220;We failed. There&#8217;s no other word but failure. That&#8217;s how we feel right now.&#8221;</p>
<p>Cuban himself acknowledged after the Mavs&#8217; Game 1 triumph that the F word &#8212; yes, failure &#8212; was going to be the reaction all over town and all over the league &#8220;if we don&#8217;t win a championship.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;We&#8217;ve got a great base,&#8221; Cuban said. &#8220;We&#8217;ll have a chance to work with each other [in training camp before next season]. You could see some of the uneasiness because we haven&#8217;t had a full season to play together, and that showed a few times, but we&#8217;ll pull all the pieces together and we&#8217;ll go at &#8217;em again next year.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Cuban&#8217;s &#8220;we&#8217;ve got a great base&#8221; comment implies that he&#8217;s not planning to blow up the roster. Dirk Nowitzki, however, is suddenly a candidate to join an already stellar free agent class this summer, though it&#8217;s still far more likely that he&#8217;ll re-up.</p>
<p>But back to Cuban &#8212; the whole we-haven&#8217;t-had-enough-time-to-gel line of reasoning is starting to wear thin. Butler and Haywood had 27 games to work the kinks out &#8212; how long does it take to develop the necessary chemistry? That&#8217;s an entire season for most college and high school teams, and most of them gel just fine. Chemistry can develop over time, but typically speaking, it&#8217;s either there or it&#8217;s not.</p>
<p>Complicating matters is Cuban&#8217;s tendency to drastically alter his roster. In February of 2008, he swapped Devin Harris and two first round picks for Jason Kidd. Last summer, he signed Shawn Marion. And this February, he pulled the trigger on the Butler/Haywood trade. Who&#8217;s to say that he&#8217;ll be able to control himself when a few more aging, expensive stars become available at the next trade deadline?</p>
<p>As long as Nowitzki is around, the Mavs will be competitive. If he returns to a team that already has Butler, Kidd, Marion, Jason Terry and Roddy Beaubois, Dallas will once again win 50 games and make the postseason. But with the way that they were worked over by an aging Spurs team, does anyone really think the Mavs will make another Finals appearance anytime soon?</p>
<p>It has to be frustrating to let a title slip through your fingers in 2006 and then spend the next three or four years trying to get back to that level. Under the current circumstances, the Mavs seem destined to be a Western Conference also-ran. I don&#8217;t blame Cuban for trying to build on what he has, but unless there&#8217;s a major infusion of talent &#8212; I&#8217;m talking a top 10 or 15 player acquired via sign-and-trade &#8212; it doesn&#8217;t look like the Mavs are a real threat to make the Finals.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the nice thing about <em>knowing</em> that you&#8217;re rebuilding. There are no delusions of grandeur. </p>
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